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Do you believe the discoveries that scientists are finding out about the universe?

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Casual debate that questions the proof that scientists will give us for certain discoveries in the universe. Do you believe what they tell us, or do you have a different point of view?
  1. ?

    14 votes
    1. Yes, I agree with what scientists tell us
      14.29%
    2. No, I don't believe what scientists tell us
      21.43%
    3. Yes, but only if the scientists provide enough evidence to support their claim
      64.29%
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Arguments

  • The extraordinary foundation encapsulating the scientific method is whatever one claims, can be tested and confirmed independently by anyone who tries to debunk that claim. And in the end, within the omnipotent matrix of nature, becomes the judge.
    NopeDrCerealEdrilErfisflatEvidence
  • I am of the opinion and understanding that the Scientific community as a whole (Mostly referencing governing organizations and academies) are extremely loose and incompetent in their regulation of Publications of Scientific study and research.

    Simply put, official organizations who regulate publications of Scientific research and study do an agonizing job at scrutinizing, reviewing and auditing the submissions.  This accounts for an unforgivable amount of misinformation spreading throughout the World today disguised as legitimate and reliable Scientific evidence.

    Case in Point: All the misinformed people who still think vaccines are bad for their children based on the MMR Vaccine Publication by Andrew Wakefield.  Mind you that the research and study that led to the belief that the Vaccine was dangerous was actually published in the British Medical Journal The Lancet.  The Lancet is one of the oldest and best known medical Journals in the World.  This of course isn't even the top layer of problems with Scientific publications of any type but stands as one simple example of why I don't purchase into what Scientists publish...even if I quit my job and did nothing but review Scientific research...I still wouldn't have enough time to do what Scientific Organizations are SUPPOSED to be doing in regards to reviewing Scientific research and study for accuracy and legitimacy.
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • Hahahaha I just saw this. I can't stop laughing now. 12% of the voters believe anything as long as it says "scientists claim" in front of it.
    SilverishGoldNovaVaulkEvidencePogue
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    Hahahaha I just saw this. I can't stop laughing now. 12% of the voters believe anything as long as it says "scientists claim" in front of it.
    But scientists say we live on a shittake mushroom shaped Earth made out of mcdonalds fries.
    Vaulk
    "I was trolling you."  - @Erfisflat ;

  • Erfisflat said:
    Hahahaha I just saw this. I can't stop laughing now. 12% of the voters believe anything as long as it says "scientists claim" in front of it.
    But scientists say we live on a shittake mushroom shaped Earth made out of mcdonalds fries.
    I saw it on TV! It must be real!

    SilverishGoldNovaVaulkEvidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • I believe it yes. Why do I believe it? Because to fight the scientists is a battle that always ends badly for the one fighting them.

    Work with them to prove themselves wrong. Learn to play the game.
    Erfisflat
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • I believe it yes. Why do I believe it? Because to fight the scientists is a battle that always ends badly for the one fighting them.

    Work with them to prove themselves wrong. Learn to play the game.


    So true, especially if you're a scientist who needs a job, .. go to learn how to play the game by the Big-Bang Evolution Rules.
    Erfisflat
  • Evidence said:
    I believe it yes. Why do I believe it? Because to fight the scientists is a battle that always ends badly for the one fighting them.

    Work with them to prove themselves wrong. Learn to play the game.


    So true, especially if you're a scientist who needs a job, .. go to learn how to play the game by the Big-Bang Evolution Rules.
    That's not fair, lol @evidence, you know that probably went well over his head..
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • @Erfisflat

    But you apparently have no issue with people who don't believe scientists even when the evidence shows the scientists are right.

    Telling.
    JustIgnoreMePogue
  • Ampersand said:
    @Erfisflat

    But you apparently have no issue with people who don't believe scientists even when the evidence shows the scientists are right.

    Telling.
    Depends entirely on the evidence and the claim it supports. I'm not against "science", just pseudoscience. You know, like "astrophysics" and evolution?
    SilverishGoldNovaEvidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Agreed with @Erfisflat
    Erfisflat
    "I was trolling you."  - @Erfisflat ;

  • Casual debate that questions the proof that scientists will give us for certain discoveries in the universe. Do you believe what they tell us, or do you have a different point of view?


    Actually I take that back, I do believe what "scientists" are telling us about what they observe in the world around us, including that we have stars in our heaven!
    Stars, .. not objects called planets named after pagan Greek and Roman gods like Mars. Jupiter, Venus etc.

    We Believers in Infinite God can see the I.D. in all of His creations, and studying His creation is what we Believers, or Flat Earthers do, but claiming that there is an expanding vacuum out there filled with giant balls of burning gas, planets and black holes that can suck an entire imaginary galaxy up into itself, .. or that animals and especially humans popped out of a rock that was sweating salt water for billions of years, which it held to the rock by a magical force called gravity keeping the mist from being frozen, or  sucked up by the vacuum of space, which is what would happen according to scientific experiments where we put water in a vacuum, .. such claims are NOT science.

    With the help of God, once we put an end to this Religion called Evolution and Big-Bang, we can once again reestablish the true meaning of "science". We are sick and tired of Organized Religions interpreting both God, and the definition of science for us!
    Erfisflat
  • @WilliamSchulz ;

    Ha Ha.

    Mention scientists and the conspiracy theorists are thrown into an orgasmic frenzy.


    Your opening proposition is grammatically inaccurate.

    There is a clear distinction to be made between a discovery and a theory.

    Theories are proposed and are therefore open to question.

    Discoveries are actual and are therefore irrefutable. 


    Obviously the paranoid conspiracy theorists will always attempt to discredit the discoverer.

    The discoverer or scientist is always part of a secret master plan of deception.

    What the purpose of all the deception is, I don't know and neither do the conspiracy theorists. 

    I tend to think that conspiracy theorists are just out to be deliberately antagonistic. 

    Which is absolutely fine, because deliberate antagonism always stimulates interest in a debate.
    Erfisflat
  • Evidence said:
    Casual debate that questions the proof that scientists will give us for certain discoveries in the universe. Do you believe what they tell us, or do you have a different point of view?


    Actually I take that back, I do believe what "scientists" are telling us about what they observe in the world around us, including that we have stars in our heaven!
    Stars, .. not objects called planets named after pagan Greek and Roman gods like Mars. Jupiter, Venus etc.

    We Believers in Infinite God can see the I.D. in all of His creations, and studying His creation is what we Believers, or Flat Earthers do, but claiming that there is an expanding vacuum out there filled with giant balls of burning gas, planets and black holes that can suck an entire imaginary galaxy up into itself, .. or that animals and especially humans popped out of a rock that was sweating salt water for billions of years, which it held to the rock by a magical force called gravity keeping the mist from being frozen, or  sucked up by the vacuum of space, which is what would happen according to scientific experiments where we put water in a vacuum, .. such claims are NOT science.

    With the help of God, once we put an end to this Religion called Evolution and Big-Bang, we can once again reestablish the true meaning of "science". We are sick and tired of Organized Religions interpreting both God, and the definition of science for us!

    1) "Stars, .. not objects called planets"
    Do you think the planets - Mars, Jupiter, Venus etc. - do not exist? or, aren't planets? or ...?
    2) "expanding" universe
    When Hubble measured the expansion of the universe, it contradicted what most atheists thought at the time - that the universe was eternal.
    3) "sucked up by the vacuum of space"
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/05/16/why-doesnt-the-vacuum-of-space-suck-up-earths-atmosphere/
    4) according to the Genesis account of creation, there was an Earth with water and land, an atmosphere, night and day and fruit trees - all before a sun existed. You (rightly) demand evidence from scientists (and they provide it); what evidence do you demand/provide for the Genesis brand of "science"?
    Pogue
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