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So be it
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It is nothing like saying that, because subspecies of brown bear are genetically distinct from one another. You don't seem either capable or willing to address the science and instead are throwing out any plausible false analogy you can muster.
There are no subspecies of humans. The genetic makeup of humans is much too similar to group them into subspecies. In fact, the larger genetic differences in humans are to be found between Africans, rather than between Africans and Eurasians. See:-
https://academic.oup.com/genetics/article/161/1/269/6049925?login=false
Your entire belief system is rooted in falsity.
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You've wasted so much time saying phrases like "Just read the sources", "You just don't like the source(s)/author(s)", and "I've already responded, you just haven't read it yet" rather than just, you know, actually showing where you responded or using your sources in your argument without just copy-and-pasting the link.
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Your time is demonstrably not too valuable to look for the passage I am asking about and quoting it; it surely would take no more than 5% of the time it took you to post all these lazy deflections... provided it actually exists. If it does not, then yeah, all the time in the world will not allow you to find it.
You are also lying once again. As I said, I read every single one of your comments in this thread 4 (four) times and did not find what I was looking for. Be so courteous as to do 1% of that work and find your own passage, please.
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I am sorry, but this in no way addresses the childhood experiences I described and Luigi seconded. Please find the relevant passage and post it here. Thanks.
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I did. You never responded to this comment I made:
See how totally hard it is to bring a comment back up? Totally impossible, amirite?
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Maxx, I think there is possibly some truth in your argument as to where racism initially came from, but you're radically oversimplifying and either ignoring objections or getting annoyed by them. The main problem with your idea that I can see is that racists don't have (or at least, don't always have) a ubiquitous attitude towards all differing races. It's perfectly possible for someone to hate black Africans but at the same time be completely indifferent to Chinese people. In fact, in America at least, I would argue that is a common attitude.
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Your opening paragraph was this:
I responded with this:
Luigi7255 said:
Explain to me how I "just disagreed".
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What is it you don't get about 'it's leaned behaviour ?"
. Humans are territorial by nature and being so, as it originated in ancient times, shows why.
We all know this Captain obvious , do you know what racism means?
You do not want them there, they may rob or destroy or take valuable resources.
You haven't mentioned racism once ,what's this got to do with racist babies you claim babies are born racist?
The root causes of racism began long ago and is so, because of distrust of strangers, and those who are different.
You do the same dance with everyone lie , claim you answered questions you refuse to answer , lie, distort and claim to be the victim , I'm trying to allow for your g-netic st-pidity but it's tough going
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I wrote a three paragraph, 385 word explanation giving examples as to why your thinking is wrong. and you reply with a two sentence 37 word declaration giving no reasoning or examples supporting your position. Good grief. 'There are non so blind........"
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it is easy to call some one names when you are thousands of miles away now isnt it.
You never even read your own piece as you totally ignored what professor Andrew Baron says which debunks your inept 'researchers' opinion piece , read on and educate yourself ........
But not everyone agrees that children so young exhibit racial bias. Andrew Baron, an associate professor in the department of psychology at the University of British Columbia, has also extensively studied bias. He doesn't believe children just months old are necessarily exhibiting racial bias.
Many of the tests for babies, including Lee's, measures the time a baby looks at an individual. But Baron says that's not a fair measure.
"They look at things they like," Baron said. "Total looking time doesn't tell you what they're thinking. In [Lee's] study, they reported longer looking time, but there's no reason to think that longer is due to race."
Instead, they could be looking longer because an object is new to them, he said.
"My take is that it could be that own race is paired with positive," Baron said. "But they could be looking at other race because it's new and strange; there could be other interpretations."
Reversing the process
Children's apparent preferences for those of their own race don't necessarily last, and they don't mean the babies will become racist.
Adults can change their behaviour once they recognize their own racial bias. They can contrast negative stereotypes with examples that challenge their biases, try to see a situation or the world from the other person's perspective and engage in positive interactions with other racial groups.
And while all people may harbour some sort of racial bias, Lee says, "Bias does not necessarily translate into discrimination."
Dear oh dear mad Maxx as usual never read his own link .....ZING
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Debate doesn't operate this way Doofus , first you must acknowledge the error you made in posting the link you posted as your researchers opinion piece was utterly destroyed and it's flaws were openly put on display , so acknowledge and address the criticisms , admit you never read the post and accept you haven't a leg to stand on
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Yes. Your own link disagreed with your nutty theory. I told you from the start there are only two innate fears that's a fact.
The only one 'spinning ' and running is you as you refuse to acknowledge your own link disagrees with your baloney
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Honestly, what an extremely lazy and disrespectful conversationist... Cannot comply with the simplest requests and expectations of courtesy, while his conversation partners go out of their way and waste a lot of time trying to accommodate his caprices.
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have fun talking with yourself
Another defeat for mad Maxx , you post up a link that disagreed with your bull and now you're sulking
. when you actualy answer the questions,
You mean like answering your same st-pid question 21 times but you want to hear an answer that suits your loony views instead , even your fellow racist and former friend disowned you
i may answer
You won't and cannot as you were trounced .....yet again
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The greatest part is not that you do all this, but that you are oblivious to it even when others put it in front of your face. I honestly do not know why I bother interacting with you at this point, considering that I have invested a lot of time in conversations with you and gained absolutely nothing from it. Not a single time did you say anything that challenged my or anyone else's arguments in any serious way.
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Maxx quote Science shows we are all but one race.
Science shows that all life forms on earth consist of species, and because these life forms change over time because of environmental adaptations to very different environmental conditions, they also consist of sub species. If the sub species continues to evolve, it will turn into a completely new species which may have characterises reminiscent of the host species, but they do not produce fertile ofspring.
Maxx quote We may all have different skin color, different morals, attitudes and so on. however we all have the same dna, and we are genetically one race.
If we all had exactly the same DNA, we would all look exactly the same. We do not look exactly the same, any more than a Clydesdale horse looks identical to a Thoroughbred. Both horse breeds (or sub species) are identifiably different with different physical abilities and different temperaments. The word "race" can be used singularly to decribe the human race, or it can be used to describe the broadly recognised sub groups of races. And you know it. You are being disingenuous by playing word games to ignore what you so desperately do not want to think about.
Maxx quote Classifying others into so called sub species is but a label.
So is reptile, mammal, primate, crustacean, insect, fish, marsupial, red dwarf, red giant, main sequence star. igneous, dolomite, pine, evergreen, and every other classification which the human mind classifies into categories.
Maxx wrote The Concept of “Race” Is a Lie - Scientific American Blog Network @Bogan when I get more time i will post a better quality link that explains better.
Don't bother. I do not debate links. Read your link, summarise whatever points it makes, and present them as your own argument. This is a debate site, not a link exchange site, in case you have forgotten. If your link claims that science does not recognise race, I will know it is complete bulls-heet anyway.
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To Luigi. Hey, Pizzano, I posted a reply to you on page two of this topic which you seem to have missed.
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Why don't you listen to what other people say? Subspecies are labelled such because of significant genetic differences which imply they are an evolutionary offshoot, not because the same species has different habitats.
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I am done doing your homework for you, you lazy bear. My very first comment is entirely about this point. If "my very first comment" does not narrow it down for you enough, then there is no point continuing this nonsense.
Lastly, no, your time is not valuable. You are wasting it saying the same stuff over and over and over and over again, or going around in circles trying to dodge criticism of your arguments, which serves absolutely zero function. If you are okay with spending this time on something that has zero function, then this time has zero value.
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I am not disrespectful. I have given you much more courtesy than you deserve from any reasonable viewpoint, because I have an unshakeable belief in the human ability to right their wrongs, and even in the most desperate cases I still hold that belief. However, you have arguably been the most disrespectful person I have encountered on any website over the past 2-3 years, and even I have some standards. You are far more disrespectful of others and their time than someone like Dee who outright insults everyone he talks to, for at least Dee actually reads what others say, even if what follows is an angry insubstantial typing. You just ignore others' words and requests however you see fit, even when they go far out of their way to accommodate your insane demands.
Are you going to address my argument in the end, or not? If not, just say so: that is a much more dignified thing to do, than this nonsense that you have been engaged in for years on this website.
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You are wasting my time if you ignore everything I write and then come out with an absolutist declaration, unsupported by a reasoned argument. You are a funny guy, Maxx. What your motivation is for being on a debate site is beyond me? Most of what you write is simply declarations, and you usually dismiss any opposing opinion with either a sneery one liner or yet another absolutist declaration. You do not even attempt to debate. Your position seems to be, "once I make a statement it is true, and needs no further discussion". .I once thought that you had a functioning brain because you often supported my position. But now I am on the opposing team I can see that something is not right in the way your brain works.
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You are far more disrespectful of others and their time than someone like Dee who outright insults everyone he talks to,
Ahh right I got it you want to engage in unwarranted personal attacks , bad day at work ?
Thats a blatant lie, my rule of debating is and always was if you treat me with respect I will give it back , the problem is people like you think they can make snide , sneery remarks and get away with it. You get back exactly what you give.
BTW I don't come here to debate anymore, in the early days yes but this site has descended into a cesspit , I do real debate on Reddit.
You're comfortable here as it's a safe haven where your typically American right wing views regarding the poor and disenfranchised are applauded as 'right on man ' , at least the right wing-nuts have their ideation of religion as 'justification' , you're just a 'crawler who feels he has to be forever thankful for the country that helped him fulfill his 'American dream '
for at least Dee actually reads what others say, even if what follows is an angry insubstantial typing.
Again that's merely your narrow minded bias. A while back on here you deemed that only you could meaningly comment on scientific topics as you're a career scientist who attempts to play the intellectual superior to deflect from the glaring gaps in his rationale when cornered
I well remember your 'I'm 'better than them ' attitude when it came to my debate on minimum wage where you refused to answer one simple question despite being asked 11 times , you st-pidly insisted that a man on minimum wage could easily pay his way with 'prudent decisions ' regards , housing , food , education and healthcare for him and his family; amazingly you attack Maxx for the very behavior you're guilty of in spades , you played the very same game when it came to the gun debate where you made the ridiculous comment that guns were not meant to make you feel safe but safer like the typical little NRA nut
Regards ' insubstantial typing ' your opinion pieces are normally reams of text void of meaningful implication with unfortunately no future improvement in sight
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It's his raging hypocrisy, since he simply slithered away when I produced a study illustrating that his preconceptions about the effect of hunger on happiness were misguided.
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It's his raging hypocrisy, since he simply slithered away when I produced a study illustrating that his preconceptions about the effect of hunger on happiness were misguided.
Spot on Nom. That's him all over he constantly ignores any arguments against his typically narrow minded ramblings. It is truly remarkable he accuses everyone of his very faults. His sneering condescension of the poor is truly despicable ; he takes every chance he can to mention his rise to success from his terrible upbringing in Russia in a Norman Tebbit style 'get on your bike ' type speech
Please Nom don't be tempted to hold forth on science or math as he claimed he is the only one qualified to do so .......incidentally a memory I have is of a time where you challenged him on a piece of his mathematical gibberish and he collapsed like a cheap deck chair in a gentle summer breeze
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Roflmao.
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We weren't talking about you. Learn to read please Maxx. Perhaps learn to do that before you learn the difference between quantum mechanics and general relativity. Congratulations on proving that @MayCaesar was accurate in his assessment of you.
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When people provide reasoned arguments, you either restate your claims like a parrot, or say something lazy like, "You just dismiss what science says". Never do you try to grapple with the actual arguments.
Notice that you are the only one here having this problem. Read any discussion between any other users: this particular problem only occurs in discussions with you, and everyone is pointing it out. You know, when everyone says that you are doing something and you are the only one thinking otherwise, chances are you are actually doing that.
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